Zarathustra (album)

Zarathustra (album)

June 13

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Establishments by decade and country

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The result of the discussion was: do not merge. MER-C 12:03, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: I think these two are the same category in essence. I don't see the need for a split in this manner. Ricky81682 () 22:50, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Keep – a merge would turn 2 nicely organised and coherent category listings into an incoherent mess. This is the usual way of organising such subcat schemes: cf Category:People by occupation and nationality and Category:People by nationality and occupation. Oculi () 00:24, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Keep per Oculi. Marcocapelle () 01:58, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
  • keep just read the contents of the categories. Merging would create a complete mishmash--a mess that no reader could understand Hmains () 04:48, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Merge with each other, there is no way of knowing from the category names which categories you are going to find in them. Hmains gives this away by stating you have to look at the contents to see what they should be! This is a problem with all foo in a and b and foo in b and a categories. Tim! () 06:32, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
  • They're container categories, so I guess they are only useful when scrolling through the contents. Marcocapelle () 12:09, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose -- One is a list of decades; the other of countries. They may ultimately lead to the same destination, but they are differnet routes there. Though the sound similar they are distinct. Possibly "and" should be replaced by "then". Peterkingiron () 16:44, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

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Category:Abrahamic texts

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The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic 18:35, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: the actual content of this category does not match with the title and the header of the category, because the title and header assume there is overlap in texts of Abrahamic religions while the actual content entirely separates the texts by religion. One might argue that the content should be purged to match the current scope and name, but the latter means in practice that no content will be left because there aren't any texts that all Abrahamic religions have in common, so then the only thing left to do is to upmerge. A second issue is the fact that it is confusing to not have Christian, Jewish and Islamic texts as direct child cats of Religious texts, which will also be resolved by the proposed upmerge. Marcocapelle () 18:20, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Upmerge per Marcocapelle. Editor2020, 02:10, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Merge -- I do not think this is a useful split. I am not sure that Babi and Bahai are really Abrahamic anyway, and Islam only gives lip service to the authority of the Hebrew Bible. Peterkingiron () 16:47, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hillary Clinton

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 12:59, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Rename all The main article was moved to Hillary Clinton after lengthy discussion at Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton/April 2015 move request. The categories should match the main articles but what should have been a straightforward speedy rename was opposed. Like the article the categories cover the whole life and career of the subject and should not retain the old article name. The claim these books are not by Hillary Clinton is clearly false; they are by the subject of the article (with or without ghost writers). CFD should not be RM round 2 for and we should not perpetuate inconsistency. Timrollpickering () 12:48, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
  • I support all of these renamings except the second: Category:Books by Hillary Rodham Clinton. That second one should stay as-is, because all of her books were authored by HRC as opposed to HC. In contrast, she's written a bunch of newspaper columns as HC, and most books about her prefer HC in the title instead of HRC (putting aside juvenile literature).Anythingyouwant () 13:09, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Yes, I know the main article got renamed, but that doesn't mean everything else has to be. Nor do I think the discussion of all of these should be lumped together as the nominator has done. For the most blatant example, there are zero books by "Hillary Clinton"; all five, including one that sold over a million copies, have been published by "Hillary Rodham Clinton". The fact that she, like almost every politician or celebrity, used people to help her write these books is irrelevant and a red herring. She is responsible for their themes and content and clearly meant these to be published under a specific name. In terms of the overall category, there are several articles or categories within Category:Hillary Rodham Clinton that concern only Hillary Rodham, such as Hillary Rodham senior thesis or Hillary Rodham cattle futures controversy, and some that are likely to continue to use "Hillary Rodham Clinton" in their name. Like it or not, this person has done significant things in her life under "Hillary Rodham", "Hillary Clinton", and "Hillary Rodham Clinton", and the best overall category name that encompasses all these variations is the current one. Wasted Time R () 13:16, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
    @Wasted Time R: There are no books published by "Hillary Rodham Clinton". There are five books written by Hillary Rodham Clinton, but they were published by Simon & Schuster. --Redrose64 () 16:43, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
So we should move all the Clinton articles to Simon and Schuster? Wasted Time can sometimes be a little bit [redacted], but I think he knows that the publisher was different from the author. :-) Anythingyouwant () 18:00, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support to match the main article. kennethaw88 • 18:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support all, i.e. including Category:Books by Hillary Rodham Clinton, for sake of consistency. Marcocapelle () 02:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Neutral regarding the books category, (Reference to both "Hillary Rodham Clinton" and "Hillary Clinton" are used with a marginal preference for the former).
Support move of all others.
Question can similar moves be made relating to ? Greg 17:22, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
I think you'd have to propose that separately over at Wikimedia Commons, not here at WorldHeritage.Anythingyouwant () 18:18, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose all. Removing the Rodham will mean that articles within the category that are correctly titled with Hillary Rodham alone - before she added Clinton to her name as Hillary Rodham Clinton, her name of choice for the last 30 years (not just "the old article name" as the nominator suggests) - will seem out of place and unclear. As WTR says above, she has had significant accomplishments under variations of her name, so the all-inclusive category should encompass them all for maximum clarity. Categories are supposed to help our readers navigate through the encyclopedia - there is no reason to remove Rodham from the category that encompasses articles about all stages of her life and career. Tvoz/ 07:29, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
  • This is referring to e.g. Hillary Rodham senior thesis. From the article the connection with the Clinton name is entirely clear, moreover it is clear that the thesis is only notable because of the Clinton connection. I don't think this is a strong argument to oppose. Marcocapelle () 12:41, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose all - I agree with Tvoz. Neutrality 19:54, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support for consistency. Also standard practice when a person changes their name (I know that's not what happened here, but it is similar to what we're discussing). I don't buy the argument that people will be confused by it, or that HRC encompasses her more fully than the common name, HC. Jenks24 () 16:42, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support for title consistency. Snuggums ( / ) 21:04, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support The whole camp opposed to the use of Hillary Clinton essentially disregards the common name rule and seeks to oppose official name as the new standard in WorldHeritage.John Pack Lambert () 08:11, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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Category:Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:55, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: That a university/college is a member of this organization is a Columbia University, The College of Westchester). This could be listified, but it would be better for any such list to be generated directly from a WP:RS. For info: This is one of a series of CFDs for similar categories (e.g. ). DexDor 06:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Keep. Better than a list of all their members. This way we know non-existent articles aren't in there as well. Me-123567-Me () 21:42, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
@Me-123567-Me - that a list can include subjects for which there is (currently) no wp article (i.e. a list can have redlinks) is normally considered an advantage of a list. DexDor 04:43, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Delete, nondefining. Neutrality 03:06, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Delete -- like all the other association membership categories. Peterkingiron () 16:48, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

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Category:Reptiles of Finland

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The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic 18:40, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: That, for example, Vipera berus or Sand lizard is found in Finland or the UK is a WP:NON-DEFINING characteristic. Note: We don't have similar categories for other European countries (e.g. Spain). For info: Example of a previous similar CFD: . DexDor 05:43, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Delete, agree w/precedent. Neutrality 03:07, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support – per precedents in many previous discussions. Oculi () 12:16, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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Category:Endangered species of the British Isles

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. North America 01:11, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: The conservation status of, for example, the Allis shad, House sparrow or Large blue, in a small part of the World is a WP:NON-DEFINING characteristic of the species. For info: there is a list at List of endangered species of the British Isles. Afaik, we do not have similar categories for any other (small) regions. DexDor 05:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment: The talk page had no categories until I just added them, so it will only now appear i

Zarathustra is a progressive rock album released in 1973 by the Italian band Museo Rosenbach. It is generally regarded as one of the best Italian progressive rock works of all time.

Controversially, the lyrics compose a concept album of Friedrich Nietzsche's philosophy, particularly Thus Spoke Zarathustra. The song titles translate into The Last Man, The King of Yesterday, Beyond Good and Evil, Übermensch, The Temple of Hourglasses, Of Man, Of Nature, and Of the Eternal Return.

The music has been edited by bassist Alberto Moreno, texts from external collaborator Mauro La Luce. Side A of the vinyl is completely occupied by the long suite Zarathustra, side B includes the remaining three songs, which relate thematically to the first part by the expression of the concept album, so dear to progressive rock groups

The album was a commercial failure mainly because of the boycott of RAI, which was suspicious of the group because of the themes (the quote from Nietzsche could refer to ideologies of Far-right) and the bust of Mussolini pictured in the collage on the cover, the work by the illustrator Cesare Monti.

The singer, Stefano Galifi, later joined an art rock band named Il Tempio delle Clessidre (The Temple of Hourglasses), quoting the title of the track.

Track listing

Side one
  1. "Zarathustra" - 19:11
    • "Zarathustra: L'Ultimo Uomo" – 3:55
    • "Zarathustra: Il Re di Ieri" – 4:40
    • "Zarathustra: Al di Là del Bene e del Male" – 2:39
    • "Zarathustra: Superuomo" – 6:25
    • "Zarathustra: Il Tempio delle Clessidre" – 2:52
Side two
  1. "Degli Uomini" – 4:04
  2. "Della Natura" – 8:28
  3. "Dell'Eterno Ritorno" – 6:18

Personnel

  • Giancarlo Golzi – drums, percussion, vocals
  • Alberto Moreno – bass and piano
  • Enzo Merogno – guitar, vocals
  • Pit Corradi – mellotron, Hammond organ, vibraphone, Farfisa electric piano
  • Stefano Galifi – vocals

Sources

  • www.progreviews.com